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Old 06-05-2012, 12:56 AM   #1
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Default Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

AGRUMENT #1 FOR AN INTELLIGENT CREATOR:

For the average person, precision indicates that an intelligent person guided the outcome. According to Webster's New World College Dictionary, the word "precision" is defined as follows:


"the quality of being precise; exactness, accuracy"


The reverse of precision is imprecision/inaccuracy/inexactness—which is always the result of an accident aka a spontaneous event that happen by chance with no one guiding the outcome. Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary defines an accident as:

"a nonessential event that happens by chance and has undesirable or unfortunate results"


Scientific evidence shows there is extreme precision in everything around us in the natural world. This precision renders the evolution theory and Big Bang theory mere fiction, for precision leaves no room for error or for accidental events. Take, for example, the first discovered 60 elements on the Periodic Table of the Elements of planet earth. Some of these 60 elements are gases and are therefore invisible to the human eye. The atoms--from which the Earth's elements are made--are specifically related to one another. In turn, the elements--e.g. arsenic, bismuth, chromium, gold, krypton--reflect a distinct, natural numeral order based upon the structure of their atoms. This is a proven LAW.

The precision in the order of the elements made it possible for scientists such as Mendeleyev, Ramsey, Moseley, and Bohr to theorize the existence of unknown elements and their characteristics. These elements were later discovered, just as predicted. Because of the distinct numerical order of the elements, the word LAW is applied to the Periodic Table of the Elements. (Sources: (1) The McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Science & Technology, (2) "Periodic Law," from Encyclopædia Britannica, Vol. VII, p. 878, copyright 1978, (3) The Hutchinson Dictionary of Scientific Biography


SIDE NOTE: Laws found in nature, as defined by Webster's New World Dictionary, are:


"a sequence of events that have been observed to occur with UNVARYING UNIFORMITY under the same conditions."


QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:
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Were it not for the precise relationship among the first 60 discovered elements on the Periodic Table, would scientists have been able to accurately predict the existence of forms of matter that at the time were unknown?

2. Could the precise law within the first 60 discovered elements (on the Periodic Table) have resulted by chance aka spontaneously aka by accident? Or is this evidence for the existence an intelligent Designer/God who guided the outcome?

3. Evolution relies upon things happening by chance aka at random. If evolution were a fact, how does it account for the Periodic Table of the Elements of planet earth in which the first 60 discovered elements are so precise, and so interrelated with one another, that it has been assigned the word "LAW"?
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:06 AM   #2
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What does evolution of carbon based life forms have ANYTHING to do with the periodic table?

The more we understand about our selves, our world and our universe in a scientific sense, makes me appreciate God so much more.

Take for instance the planet Jupiter. There could be no life on Earth if it werent for that planet. Jupiter is so large and has such a great gravitational pull that it helps shield the inner planets, including Earth, from asteroid/comet impacts. With out Jupiter Earth would be slammed so much that life would be impossible. Is it random chance that our Solar System, like many other systems we have found in the last several years, has a giant gaseous planet that gobbles up chunks of space rock so life can form on this rocky planet? Or, was it in His infinite wisdom, God knew exactly what was needed for us to exist and He himself put that plan in motion? I prefer the later.

The Jupiter example is one of MANY unique occurrences that make life possible on Earth. To say that God didn't plan for them or didn't set such a complex system in place such as evolution that eventually lead to us, undermines his greatness IMO. To see the complexity, the genius in evolution and the development of our world and universe is to see the greatness of God.
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:01 AM   #3
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Why didn't god just make the universe devoid of those messy little pieces of spce rock?
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evolution is not a chance process.
Think of it like the free market, anything may be tried, but efficiency and precision in life is favored by success.
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evolution is not a chance process.
Think of it like the free market, anything may be tried, but efficiency and precision in life is favored by success.
Nature always favors going from ordered to disordered, that is why most chemists have a hard time believing in evolution. Read up on the second law of thermodynamics, it will make evolution a lot harder to believe. Evolution states that things went from disorder to order by itself with no help, which isn't possible.
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uh, energy is used to create order from disorder by living things. Without eating you will quickly become disordered it is true, but if you continue to eat you can maintain and create order (if you are still growing).
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A2E you and all the other decieved are in my prayers.
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take the smallest single cell and look at the design that went into it. look at the precision and specific function of subcellular proteins, DNA, RNA, etc.
there is no possible way for random chances to create something of such precision onsuch a small scale, or put together to create such a massive balance in a single animal, person, and so on.
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What does evolution of carbon based life forms have ANYTHING to do with the periodic table?

The more we understand about our selves, our world and our universe in a scientific sense, makes me appreciate God so much more.

Take for instance the planet Jupiter. There could be no life on Earth if it werent for that planet. Jupiter is so large and has such a great gravitational pull that it helps shield the inner planets, including Earth, from asteroid/comet impacts. With out Jupiter Earth would be slammed so much that life would be impossible. Is it random chance that our Solar System, like many other systems we have found in the last several years, has a giant gaseous planet that gobbles up chunks of space rock so life can form on this rocky planet? Or, was it in His infinite wisdom, God knew exactly what was needed for us to exist and He himself put that plan in motion? I prefer the later.

The Jupiter example is one of MANY unique occurrences that make life possible on Earth. To say that God didn't plan for them or didn't set such a complex system in place such as evolution that eventually lead to us, undermines his greatness IMO. To see the complexity, the genius in evolution and the development of our world and universe is to see the greatness of God.
ALTER2EGO -to- JD7.62:

Evolution Theory of biological life forms and the Big Bang Theory are connected with the Periodic Table of the elements for the following reason: They all supposedly happened at random, with no intelligent intervention. That's why I made an issue of the Big Bang theory and the evolution theory in my opening post--to get people's attention.

The Big Bang Theory is a lame attempt by humans to explain the appearance of millions of planets in the heavens, each with their own gravitational pull that keeps them within their individual orbits. Likewise, macroevolution theory is the attempt at explaining the appearance of complex life forms on planet earth that supposedly evolved from a "common ancestor."


The precision seen in the first 60 natural elements on the Periodic Table--which enabled scientists to accurately predict elements that were missing at the time--is scoffed at by atheists that I've debated at other websites. They argue there is nothing precise about the elements on the Periodic Table. Keep in mind that there are a total of 118 elements on the Periodic Table and 26 are manmade. I brought this to the attention of atheists at a few websites where I debate and asked them the following:

"If it took well-trained, intelligent humans in controlled environments (laboratories) to create the 26 manmade elements, how can you argue that the 92 natural elements--which clearly are not the work of humans--did not likewise require an intelligent designer?"


As usual, not one single atheist at any of the websites where I've raised the above issue has acknowledged that an intelligent person must have likewise created the 92 natural elements on the Periodic Table. Instead, they started raising all sorts of ridiculous arguments--indicating intellectual dishonesty. The point being, people do not become atheists for lack of evidence pointing to an intelligent Designer/God. The evidence is right there, and they see it because they're not blind. They're simply playing the fool. Atheism, quite simply, is an act of defiance/rebellion. It amounts to wickedness.

"The wicked one according to his superciliousness makes no search; all his ideas are: 'There is no God.' " (Psalms 10:4)


"For his [God's] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;..." (Romans 1:20)



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it is one of the wonders of the system design that self assembly occurs, at many levels. some atoms naturally bind or react, DNA carries the information for the parts, but the parts self assemble. fish are produced individually but form schools (this is a fishing forum).

the creation is even more wondrous if you will open your mind and heart to all of its beauty, including its ability to grow, change, adapt, take different forms. Do you think that life on earth is a static thing, once created never changing? You would limit God's creation to your ability to understand it?
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