seal team training

glassplus · 02-11-2012, 10:32 PM

If you want to find out about seal team training here is A place to find out' rogersshootingschool.com I met Bill at a good Friend house several years back, super nice guy. A little back ground he started the FBI new training program after the Miami shoot out. He has been for most in training for LEO-military-civ. This is the place to go. just my two cents jj

Capt Ron · 02-11-2012, 10:48 PM

From Bill Rogers website under philosophy:

"We tell people that the original inventors had that intent when they designed the weapon and that is why it was called a handgun and not hand(s) gun. Over the years of training, we have had a number of past students who claim to be alive because they learned those one handed skills at our school. Unfortunately, most shooting schools, including those operated by the military and police, do very little training with one hand.

With the advent of the video recorder mounted in the police car, many shootouts have been recorded in the last few years. A review of these shows a majority of the officers using one hand techniques even when they were not trained to do so. At the Rogers Shooting School half of our instruction is dedicated toward one hand use of the weapon. This is just one of the aspects that separate us from other schools."

And as my students know I train the same way.

scubapro · 02-11-2012, 10:54 PM

Looks like a great school! I'd like to take his October Intermediate Pistol/Shotgun combo course...need to start saving my fun money!

Capt Ron · 02-11-2012, 11:15 PM

Bill Rogers School

Advanced or Intermediate Handgun Class cost:

Tuition —————————————————————————————-$1,200
Lunch at the Range and Dinner at the Lodge (recommended) ——-$50.00 plus sales tax
Optional shotgun program taught concurrently —————-$200
Optional carbine/rifle program taught concurrently ———-$300
Breakfast and Lodging using the school facility—$125 plus sales tax, optional. Our lodge facility is set up to handle up to 18 students. It has 3 units that each has 6 bunks, 2 showers, 2 sinks, and 2 toilets. It has a dining hall and a large gathering room.
Ammunition———-Student supplies approved ammunition or makes arrangements well in advance of the scheduled class to purchase from school.
Basic Handgun Class

Over the years, our Basic Handgun class has been instrumental in developing the interest of hundreds of beginners in shooting; more information can be found on our Classes page. It has also given shooters that are experienced with a handgun but have never worked out of a holster, the necessary skills to take our Intermediate- Advanced class. For this reason we have always discounted our Basic Class dramatically. The Basic Handgun program does not offer an optional shoulder weapon course. We welcome anyone who can legally possess a firearm, including children over 14 years old, as long as their parents are present. For the Basic Class the School will supply handguns, (both revolvers and semi-autos), holster gear, ammunition and food/lodging. We reduce our tuition fee to $1000. We do not charge a rental fee on the use of 4 different handguns. We charge a flat fee of $600 plus sales tax to include lodging, three meals a day and all ammunition. The maximum size for our Basic Class is 12 students.
Basic Handgun cost:
Tuition, ——————————————————————————————————$1000.00
Use of school handguns, ammunition, food and lodging—————————$600 plus sales tax

glassplus · 02-12-2012, 12:43 AM

Did I miss something, but that was for a 5 day class all day. I know I am not real sharp with numbers but I think that comes out to about 30.00 a hour.and 240.00 for 8 hrs, and 10.00 a day for the meals. Did I not under stand that you get 60.00 an hour and no meals. Wouldn't that come to 480.00 a day for 8hrs. Maybe when you get that kind of training range you could offer a higher caliber of training. Other wise you may be charging to much. Don't just give part of the details. jj A patriot for truth

bama99 · 02-12-2012, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glassplus

Did I miss something, but that was for a 5 day class all day. I know I am not real sharp with numbers but I think that comes out to about 30.00 a hour.and 240.00 for 8 hrs, and 10.00 a day for the meals. Did I not under stand that you get 60.00 an hour and no meals. Wouldn't that come to 480.00 a day for 8hrs. Maybe when you get that kind of training range you could offer a higher caliber of training. Other wise you may be charging to much. Don't just give part of the details. jj A patriot for truth

Man some of guys really have it out for Capt. Ron. What part of private one on one instruction do you guys not understand? You can't compare a private lesson to group instruction. It's comparing apples to oranges. Do you really think one would be shooting non-stop the entire 8 hours with their own private instructor at one of these schools. Both types of training are profitable for sure, but they are different. There would be lots of standing around while waiting your turn to shoot or run a course.

Lets say an instructor could average 40 hours a week year round. When you take into account weather, holidays, etc it would be hard to average more. 40*60=2400/wk 2400*52= $124,800 per year GROSS.

Take out cost of maintaining a range/buisness: mortgage/lease, insurance, taxes, equipment and all the other cost associated with running a business and there isn't a whole left over for yourself and family.

No one is going to get rich doing this, so it must be something that someone has an obvious passion for. For the one's complaining..... What's your profession/skill and what do you consider fair compensation? Most folks will tell you they are underpaid. Yet these same people are always quick to point out someone is overcharging.

I assure you the "tactical schools" with their - run em through like cattle - mentality is making much more than Cap't Ron and not delivering the same level of personal attention and focus on you. I would think anyone who owns or has owned a business in the past surely understands what I'm saying. There are so many cost that pop up when running a small business. It seems like all you do is write checks and you are always the last on the list to get paid.

scubapro · 02-12-2012, 02:11 PM

Some folks -- due to their experience, education and training -- can command a higher tuition than others.

Most nationally known instructors have life experiences and knowledge that brings students to them who are willing to invest significantly more to participate in their training programs.

It would be foolish to think that all firearms instructors or training programs are equal, even with basic "NRA training" available locally. Each level of instructor or program fills a need in the shooting community -- and I am glad they all exist. However, I am one of those shooters who wouldn't think twice about spending a couple of grand to train under an instructor with a lengthy resume in a well defined and proven program such as Bill Rogers for my well earned annual "vacation".

For others, that simply isn't possible or financially wise.

glassplus · 02-12-2012, 03:09 PM

I was wandering how long it would take some one to figure all this out. I just have a problem when some one say they are some thing when they are not and then keep trying to justify it. I have shot with some of the top shoots and trainers in the county and have never heard any one of them talk about how great they were are that they way was the best and all ways trying to prove it. I have been Lucky to be able to attend several tactical school's that I did not have to pay for, one I did was 450 for 3 days. I know several that have been to Front sight. When I am working with some one I try to go with they pace and build from there. I know what it has got me to get to where I,m at and I,not a top shot. I'm working to hard, tired and retired. just my two cents got to go go and burn some power.The sun is shining jj

Az-Vic · 02-12-2012, 09:37 PM

Ive shot many a match back in the day, where Bill Rogers was among the many competitors, he was always among the top 20 in just about every major match. Later, he got into the holster business and catered to both competition shooters and also the tacticool crowd. I have no idea how he ranks among the new age deffensive shooting school instructors, but he was a hell of a shooter, so I can only presume he's just as good an instructor?

K-Bill · 02-12-2012, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glassplus

Did I miss something, but that was for a 5 day class all day. I know I am not real sharp with numbers but I think that comes out to about 30.00 a hour.and 240.00 for 8 hrs, and 10.00 a day for the meals. Did I not under stand that you get 60.00 an hour and no meals. Wouldn't that come to 480.00 a day for 8hrs. Maybe when you get that kind of training range you could offer a higher caliber of training. Other wise you may be charging to much. Don't just give part of the details. jj A patriot for truth

I'm willing to bet ol' bill would tell you to pound sand if you offered to pay him $30 for a training session.

02-11-2012, 10:32 PM	#1
glassplus Senior Member Trigger Join Date: May 2009 Location: N End santa Rosa Posts: 228	seal team training If you want to find out about seal team training here is A place to find out' rogersshootingschool.com I met Bill at a good Friend house several years back, super nice guy. A little back ground he started the FBI new training program after the Miami shoot out. He has been for most in training for LEO-military-civ. This is the place to go. just my two cents jj

02-11-2012, 10:48 PM	#2
Capt Ron Valued Member Trigger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 359	From Bill Rogers website under philosophy: "We tell people that the original inventors had that intent when they designed the weapon and that is why it was called a handgun and not hand(s) gun. Over the years of training, we have had a number of past students who claim to be alive because they learned those one handed skills at our school. Unfortunately, most shooting schools, including those operated by the military and police, do very little training with one hand. With the advent of the video recorder mounted in the police car, many shootouts have been recorded in the last few years. A review of these shows a majority of the officers using one hand techniques even when they were not trained to do so. At the Rogers Shooting School half of our instruction is dedicated toward one hand use of the weapon. This is just one of the aspects that separate us from other schools." And as my students know I train the same way. __________________ Cheers, Capt Ron Beermünder Email: beermunder@yahoo.com Cell: (850) 266-2325 www.IWillNotBeAVictim.com "I miss because I push myself outside my comfort zone." Last edited by Capt Ron; 02-11-2012 at 10:51 PM.

02-11-2012, 10:54 PM	#3
scubapro Senior Member Grouper Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Garcon Point Posts: 1,199	Looks like a great school! I'd like to take his October Intermediate Pistol/Shotgun combo course...need to start saving my fun money! __________________ www.southernexposuretraining.com www.centerfire.net Draw Quickly -- Shoot Carefully... No one has ever been killed by a loud noise... Col. Jeff Cooper

02-11-2012, 11:15 PM	#4
Capt Ron Valued Member Trigger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 359	Check out these Prices! I'm not charging enough! Bill Rogers School Advanced or Intermediate Handgun Class cost: Tuition —————————————————————————————-$1,200 Lunch at the Range and Dinner at the Lodge (recommended) ——-$50.00 plus sales tax Optional shotgun program taught concurrently —————-$200 Optional carbine/rifle program taught concurrently ———-$300 Breakfast and Lodging using the school facility—$125 plus sales tax, optional. Our lodge facility is set up to handle up to 18 students. It has 3 units that each has 6 bunks, 2 showers, 2 sinks, and 2 toilets. It has a dining hall and a large gathering room. Ammunition———-Student supplies approved ammunition or makes arrangements well in advance of the scheduled class to purchase from school. Basic Handgun Class Over the years, our Basic Handgun class has been instrumental in developing the interest of hundreds of beginners in shooting; more information can be found on our Classes page. It has also given shooters that are experienced with a handgun but have never worked out of a holster, the necessary skills to take our Intermediate- Advanced class. For this reason we have always discounted our Basic Class dramatically. The Basic Handgun program does not offer an optional shoulder weapon course. We welcome anyone who can legally possess a firearm, including children over 14 years old, as long as their parents are present. For the Basic Class the School will supply handguns, (both revolvers and semi-autos), holster gear, ammunition and food/lodging. We reduce our tuition fee to $1000. We do not charge a rental fee on the use of 4 different handguns. We charge a flat fee of $600 plus sales tax to include lodging, three meals a day and all ammunition. The maximum size for our Basic Class is 12 students. Basic Handgun cost: Tuition, ——————————————————————————————————$1000.00 Use of school handguns, ammunition, food and lodging—————————$600 plus sales tax __________________ Cheers, Capt Ron Beermünder Email: beermunder@yahoo.com Cell: (850) 266-2325 www.IWillNotBeAVictim.com "I miss because I push myself outside my comfort zone."

02-12-2012, 02:11 PM	#7
scubapro Senior Member Grouper Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Garcon Point Posts: 1,199	Some folks -- due to their experience, education and training -- can command a higher tuition than others. Most nationally known instructors have life experiences and knowledge that brings students to them who are willing to invest significantly more to participate in their training programs. It would be foolish to think that all firearms instructors or training programs are equal, even with basic "NRA training" available locally. Each level of instructor or program fills a need in the shooting community -- and I am glad they all exist. However, I am one of those shooters who wouldn't think twice about spending a couple of grand to train under an instructor with a lengthy resume in a well defined and proven program such as Bill Rogers for my well earned annual "vacation". For others, that simply isn't possible or financially wise. __________________ www.southernexposuretraining.com www.centerfire.net Draw Quickly -- Shoot Carefully... No one has ever been killed by a loud noise... Col. Jeff Cooper

02-12-2012, 12:43 AM	#5
glassplus Senior Member Trigger Join Date: May 2009 Location: N End santa Rosa Posts: 228	Did I miss something, but that was for a 5 day class all day. I know I am not real sharp with numbers but I think that comes out to about 30.00 a hour.and 240.00 for 8 hrs, and 10.00 a day for the meals. Did I not under stand that you get 60.00 an hour and no meals. Wouldn't that come to 480.00 a day for 8hrs. Maybe when you get that kind of training range you could offer a higher caliber of training. Other wise you may be charging to much. Don't just give part of the details. jj A patriot for truth

02-12-2012, 03:09 PM	#8
glassplus Senior Member Trigger Join Date: May 2009 Location: N End santa Rosa Posts: 228	I was wandering how long it would take some one to figure all this out. I just have a problem when some one say they are some thing when they are not and then keep trying to justify it. I have shot with some of the top shoots and trainers in the county and have never heard any one of them talk about how great they were are that they way was the best and all ways trying to prove it. I have been Lucky to be able to attend several tactical school's that I did not have to pay for, one I did was 450 for 3 days. I know several that have been to Front sight. When I am working with some one I try to go with they pace and build from there. I know what it has got me to get to where I,m at and I,not a top shot. I'm working to hard, tired and retired. just my two cents got to go go and burn some power.The sun is shining jj

02-12-2012, 09:37 PM	#9
Az-Vic Senior Member Mingo Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 144	Ive shot many a match back in the day, where Bill Rogers was among the many competitors, he was always among the top 20 in just about every major match. Later, he got into the holster business and catered to both competition shooters and also the tacticool crowd. I have no idea how he ranks among the new age deffensive shooting school instructors, but he was a hell of a shooter, so I can only presume he's just as good an instructor?

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