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Old 02-06-2011, 10:18 PM   #1
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Up until Jan 6 gas stations could sell various grades of non-ethanol gas. Now it seems only premium (93 oct. I believe) non-ethanol is available.
The question is will this higher octane harm low power outboards that are rated for 87 octane.
I know the big engines want high grade, but lower power engines are happy with lower grade.

Anyone have any facts on this or just an opinion?

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Higher octane will not harm an engine, just costs more and may not be necessary. Sea-r-cy
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"Effective January 1, 2011, Florida law requires all gasoline sold or offered for sale in Florida by a terminal supplier, importer, blender, or wholesaler to contain a mixture of 90 to 91 percent gasoline and 9 to 10 percent fuel ethanol, by volume, unless otherwise exempted by statute."

The ethanol fuel mandate does not apply to fuel used in aircrafts or watercrafts, fuel sold to a blender, or fuel sold for use in collector vehicles, off-road vehicles, motorcycles, or small engines. If a terminal supplier, importer, blender, or wholesaler is unable to obtain ethanol fuel at the same or lower price as unblended gasoline, then the covered entity may apply for a waiver. (Reference Florida Statutes 526.201-526.207)
Look at 526.203
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...0526/0526.html

It will now be more difficult then it was last year to find a land based gas station selling non-ethanol gasoline of any grade.
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Stupid econut politicians...
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Stupid econut politicians...
I'd say more like politicians in the pocket of the corn/farm/ethanol lobbyists.
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Higher octane will not harm an engine, just costs more and may not be necessary. Sea-r-cy
This is not 100% accurate. Higher octane fuels burn at a cooler temperature, just like ethanol based fuels. I have a 250 HPDI Yamaha and it is designed for 87 octane and the higher internal combustion temperature. If you run high octane in it you burn out the oxygen sensors. (From experience) With ethanol cooler operating temps I had to set up my spark plug to a hotter burning one. Still if I ideal for a long way it will foul a plug. (Plugs are $10.00 a piece). This problem is not limited to Yamaha outboards it is indusrty wide. With these new motors and the operating specs they have to adhere to with California and other states, there is no tolerence for this difference in operating temps.
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Remind me where we were buying un-diluted gas.... I recall it was off the interstate somewhere.
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I have always been under the assumption that higher the octane the less volatile the fuel. High compression engines, i.e. 10.5:1,11:1, and such compress the fuel in a much tighter space at a much greater compression factor. That being said, the more tightly you compress fuel the more likely it is to explode from the heat generated by compression before ignition occurs. Thus the term pre-ignition. A higher octane allows the fuel to be more highly compressed without setting itself on fire, thsu allowing the spark to ignite the fuel and allows it to "burn" rather than explode. The higher the octane (retardant) the less volatile the fuel. That's why if you put 87 octane in a car with high performance engine you get a ping and clatter....................... Bob
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This is not 100% accurate. Higher octane fuels burn at a cooler temperature, just like ethanol based fuels. I have a 250 HPDI Yamaha and it is designed for 87 octane and the higher internal combustion temperature. If you run high octane in it you burn out the oxygen sensors. (From experience) With ethanol cooler operating temps I had to set up my spark plug to a hotter burning one. Still if I ideal for a long way it will foul a plug. (Plugs are $10.00 a piece). This problem is not limited to Yamaha outboards it is indusrty wide. With these new motors and the operating specs they have to adhere to with California and other states, there is no tolerence for this difference in operating temps.
Good point, bankwalker. Always run the appropriate fuel for your setup. The only problem is it may sound a bit funny. Like:

"Hey, what happened to your motor?"

"I ran it cool."
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I have always been under the assumption that higher the octane the less volatile the fuel. High compression engines, i.e. 10.5:1,11:1, and such compress the fuel in a much tighter space at a much greater compression factor. That being said, the more tightly you compress fuel the more likely it is to explode from the heat generated by compression before ignition occurs. Thus the term pre-ignition. A higher octane allows the fuel to be more highly compressed without setting itself on fire, thsu allowing the spark to ignite the fuel and allows it to "burn" rather than explode. The higher the octane (retardant) the less volatile the fuel. That's why if you put 87 octane in a car with high performance engine you get a ping and clatter....................... Bob
Your assumption is correct.
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