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Old 07-30-2008, 04:10 PM   #11
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It would seem to me that if she had 20 people in her class and all of them failed to do it then sure, she must have made a mistake if everyone missed it, but the fact that none of the other students died would make it hard to show that. There has to be a point where the student is to blame.
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Old 08-01-2008, 12:33 AM   #12
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WW2 (7/30/2008)It would seem to me that if she had 20 people in her class and all of them failed to do it then sure, she must have made a mistake if everyone missed it, but the fact that none of the other students died would make it hard to show that. There has to be a point where the student is to blame.


I wouldn't say that would be the case. Just because something doesn't hurt everyone, doesn't mean it is proper or safe. The instructor very well could've been operating outside of accepted recreational training standards. If the bulk of the diving community doesn't accept that instructor's training methods, then the instructor is sitting in a pretty lonely place, legally speaking. With the instructor being in a position that brings both authority and trust, a student wouldn't see their instruction as especially harmful. An unfortunate incident all around.



Also, I agree with evensplit, if you are not a professional, do not attempt to "train" a non-diver in any sense. It may seem harmless to throw a family member or friend in the pool with a tank, but the evidence shows otherwise. All too often I hear of people doing this without imparting crucial safety information. I fully believe NAUI's credo, "Diving Safety through Education." There are plenty of trained instructors all over the world that have dedicated themselves safely training divers, seek them out and have a much more safe and fun diving experience!!
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Old 08-02-2008, 03:28 PM   #13
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This happened last spring at the university of alabama and the dive instructer was just recently charged with negligent homicide. The instructer suposedly left the students in one side of the pool to godo some private lessons withsome other people on the other side of the pool.She left some less experinced divers in charge well they did a drill where they took off their gear at depth and then surfaced and apparently the student freaked and shot to the surface causing an air embolism. I don't agree with the charge at all. Im sure the instructor explained the drill to them and i doubt it was the first time they had done it and like already stated i can't imagine the instructor not telling her students the number one rule in diving, always breathe! Once at depth there wouldn't be much the instructor could do to stop the student from flipping out and shooting to the top anyways
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Old 08-03-2008, 01:39 AM   #14
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When you guys say "air embolism", are you refering to a pneumothorax? I believe that would be a more likey scenario as holding your breath cant really cause any type of "air embolism."

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Old 08-03-2008, 06:39 AM   #15
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Actually......thismay bewhat you guys might be looking for.........

"Arterial gasembolism (AGE)is one of the diving disorders SCUBA divers sometimes suffer when they receivepressure damage(barotrauma)to their lungs following a (rapid) ascent where the breath is inappropriately held against a closed glottis, allowing pressure to build up inside the lungs, relative to the blood. It is termed "gas" because the diver may be using a diving breathing gas other than air. The gas bubbles can impede the flow of oxygen-rich blood to the brain and vital organs by destroying "alveoli" in the damaged lung(s). They can also cause clots to form in blood vessels."

And...of course, pneumothorax as stated.
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:05 PM   #16
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Evensplit (7/29/2008)2 different cases. The girl was this past weekend. TheAU case was last year.
Jim, Jim, Jim,

I am extremely disappointed in you!:nonono

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Old 08-04-2008, 03:00 PM   #17
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DOH!.............:banghead :doh :doh

Now that's funny.....and it made it this long before someone caught it...
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