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Old 06-07-2008, 08:18 AM   #21
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401 Cay (5/30/2008)We run 8-10 ft of 300# mono.. with a 4 ft leader you stand a chance of getting tail whipped and loseing the whole deal.. We have also used wire and sevenstrand and as Xanadu said the lure action wore through it..

A wahoo can cut the leader with its tail?
I guess it could happen, but we'venever had a problem with it.[/quote

Proper drag and boat angle an you will stick a gaff in them every time, but then you have to invite me over for dinner.:letsdrink
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:19 AM   #22
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401 Cay (5/30/2008)We run 8-10 ft of 300# mono.. with a 4 ft leader you stand a chance of getting tail whipped and loseing the whole deal.. We have also used wire and sevenstrand and as Xanadu said the lure action wore through it..




A wahoo can cut the leader with its tail?


I guess it could happen, but we'venever had a problem with it.[/quote



Proper drag and boat angle an you will stick a gaff in them every time, but then you have to invite me over for dinner.:letsdrink


You obviously don't have much experience if you think your little outboard is more nimble than a conventional sport fisher. And, more importantly, a wahoo is going to tail cut you on his first run. Before you even get the rod out of the gunnel. Proper boat angle has nothing to do with it unless you're talking about during the fight which any idiot boat driver can handle.



But, since you are the big expert boat driver, what is the proper angle to a wahoo? Are wahoo some difficult species to catch for you that you have to drive the boat in some special way? Seriously, wahoo give up after their first run and you can winch them to the boat and, if you like, pick them up or slide them in without a gaff and they'll lay there still like they're dead.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:21 AM   #23
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401 Cay (5/30/2008)We run 8-10 ft of 300# mono.. with a 4 ft leader you stand a chance of getting tail whipped and loseing the whole deal.. We have also used wire and sevenstrand and as Xanadu said the lure action wore through it..




A wahoo can cut the leader with its tail?


Meaning with a 4 foot leader it can cut the a 30-40lb main line.. Fact.


Not if you fight the fish from the proper angle, but you big boat buys can't get that big gas guzzler turned around fast enough can you. Fact!


Dude, we don't turn the boat around at all. WTF are you talking about? Are you fishing with bait casters where you're chasing weehoo down with the boat - angler on the bow - or something as ludicrous? Why not invest in a couple 50s?
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:24 AM   #24
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Dude, I can barely afford my little Penn 555 GS what the !@#% You made out of money fishing everyday in that battle ship at $5.00 a gallon. You need another son????:bowdown
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:33 AM   #25
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No, that's not the point. You said "with proper drag and boat angle...." like there was something complex about wahoo fishing or that you needed some maniac like Creech up there doing 15kts in reverse when, clearly, you don't. Wahoo are pussy fish. They come up and bite whatever you drag in their face and make 1 big run. On an 80 or even a 50, the typical wahoo fight is one run and then crank. Boat handling prowess or line angle is NEVER an issue and you can leave the rod in the gunnel and crank them in like clearing weeds from your lure.



My point was that you posted BS about something you obviously don't know anything about as if it was sage advice. Do us and all the inexperienced guys a favor and don't post crap that's going to confuse them or cause them to be more nervous or overthinking than they already are.



Wahoo fishing is the simplest in the world.



1 Drag bait over fish

2 When you hear the clicker screaming, clear lines from any rod that might be in the way.

3 When fish stops his initial run, crank like hell.

4 When fish gets to transom either gaff, lift or slide fish in through transom door.

5 lather, rinse and repeat.



There is no need for exotic equipment, fancy techniques or expert boat handling. In fact, its so easy that even a cave man could do it.
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Old 06-07-2008, 04:55 PM   #26
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wow, this has really turned into a thread of sorts

we catch a lot of wahoo, not wehoos but some pretty nice ones, every winter in the islands. we target them pretty much and we use fairly short cable leader on 50 or 80 lb gear. as Xanadu said wahoo fishing is not brain surgery. in reality its really mackerel fishing, only the macks can be much bigger. my thought is a longer leader, as in significantly longer than the wahoo, results in your jet head, islander, or any other common trolling plug that is able to slid up the leader, ending up well behind the hooked fish, stuffed up against the swivel, being pulled through the water at a pretty good rate. nice scenario for another wahoo to eat that bait and cut you off, it DOES happen. we tend to keep our cable leader while TARGETING wahoo no longer than about five feet so that it is at the tail or just behind the tail of the fish on his run. it prevents tail whipping and you don't have a plug 15 feet behind a running fish. above the swivel is 20 or so feet of wind on mono leader of either 300 or 400.

the original post that started this was a request looking for information about how to set up a leader and what works for various people. the initial posts where what the guy was looking for and then it went downhill.

if you don't have something informative, or at least constructive, why take the effort to post it, unless your goal is to start a tit for tat bs string
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Old 06-07-2008, 05:00 PM   #27
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haha good description hal. haha
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I like to use 9000# aircraft cable and 130's pulling stretch 35's the way Hal showed me...
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:30 PM   #29
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Feeding Frenzy (6/7/2008)Dude, I can barely afford my little Penn 555 GS what the !@#% You made out of money fishing everyday in that battle ship at $5.00 a gallon. You need another son????:bowdown
No, that's not the point. You said "with proper drag and boat angle...." like there was something complex about wahoo fishing or that you needed some maniac like Creech up there doing 15kts in reverse when, clearly, you don't. Wahoo are pussy fish. They come up and bite whatever you drag in their face and make 1 big run. On an 80 or even a 50, the typical wahoo fight is one run and then crank. Boat handling prowess or line angle is NEVER an issue and you can leave the rod in the gunnel and crank them in like clearing weeds from your lure.

My point was that you posted BS about something you obviously don't know anything about as if it was sage advice. Do us and all the inexperienced guys a favor and don't post crap that's going to confuse them or cause them to be more nervous or overthinking than they already are.

Wahoo fishing is the simplest in the world.

1 Drag bait over fish
2 When you hear the clicker screaming, clear lines from any rod that might be in the way.
3 When fish stops his initial run, crank like hell.
4 When fish gets to transom either gaff, lift or slide fish in through transom door.
5 lather, rinse and repeat.

There is no need for exotic equipment, fancy techniques or expert boat handling. In fact, its so easy that even a cave man could do it.
Who in the hell died and made you the !@#$ fishing god. I tell you what put your money where your mouth is. Let's have a little side bet for the Pensacola International your battle wagon against my little center console biggest fish weighed and total pounds! Mano e mano. You name the price or do you want to put up your boat for my little boat.:clap
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:36 PM   #30
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flyliner (6/7/2008)wow, this has really turned into a thread of sorts

we catch a lot of wahoo, not wehoos but some pretty nice ones, every winter in the islands. we target them pretty much and we use fairly short cable leader on 50 or 80 lb gear. as Xanadu said wahoo fishing is not brain surgery. in reality its really mackerel fishing, only the macks can be much bigger. my thought is a longer leader, as in significantly longer than the wahoo, results in your jet head, islander, or any other common trolling plug that is able to slid up the leader, ending up well behind the hooked fish, stuffed up against the swivel, being pulled through the water at a pretty good rate. nice scenario for another wahoo to eat that bait and cut you off, it DOES happen. we tend to keep our cable leader while TARGETING wahoo no longer than about five feet so that it is at the tail or just behind the tail of the fish on his run. it prevents tail whipping and you don't have a plug 15 feet behind a running fish. above the swivel is 20 or so feet of wind on mono leader of either 300 or 400.

the original post that started this was a request looking for information about how to set up a leader and what works for various people. the initial posts where what the guy was looking for and then it went downhill.

if you don't have something informative, or at least constructive, why take the effort to post it, unless your goal is to start a tit for tat bs string
Pat thanks for stepping in here and setting the story straight. Hell maybe I will bring my little Jupiter down there to the Emerald Coast Classic so I can buy you a beer at the Capt. meeting. Thanks for all of the work you to on the Florida Fishing Report. And what I was attempting your buddy Xanadu that in a small boat when that wahoo makes that run at the boat I would rather not gun it straight forward and throw everybody out of the boat.:letsdrink
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