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Old 06-12-2014, 10:38 PM   #21
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I have never seen such a thing
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:53 PM   #22
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I thought I would just ask the man. Got this email today from FWC ....



From: Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission <fwc@mycusthelp.net>
Date: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:16 AM
To: xx
Subject: Ask FWC :: W014127-061314
xx: These are legal for the harvest of bait species. Thanks, Alan




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Category: Fishing, Saltwater Fish & Marine Organisms

Description: Are these rigs illegal to use now? Small net with a red ribbon runnging through them, catch the fish by the gills. Remember we used them in the 70s. Think they are called Pilchard rigs too. If they are illegal, cant we get a law to allow something like them just for recreational bait catching?

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Old 06-16-2014, 03:04 PM   #23
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Wow that's awesome to hear, May need to find one of the quality metal ones that'll last a while, I have a few of the cheapo ones from Alabama but they last about 1/2 trip
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Old 02-05-2017, 04:11 PM   #24
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How to make Pilchard Rings

To All,

When I was growing up in South Florida, I used Pilchard Rings ( aka - "Ribbon Rigs" ) to catch baitfish ( Pilchards / Menhaden ) from the fishing piers . Recently, I discovered that they have been declared to be a "gill net", theoretically "illegal", and not available in stores anymore. I always used to make my own, as a kid.

So, for purely "historical value" . . .

"HOW TO MAKE PILCHARD RINGS"

MATERIALS :

6 ft. of #7 Dark-Colored, Solid Leader Wire

1 Barrel Swivel

1 Snap Swivel ( to allow weight changes )

Cardboard Toilet Paper or Paper Towel Tube ( 1" I.D. Sch. 40 PVC works great, too )

3 ft. of Bright Red Ribbon ( 3/8" - 1/2" wide )

Pyramid, Bank, or Dipsey/ Bass Sinker ( 3/4oz - 1 1/2oz +/- )

CONSTRUCTION :

(1) Start with a six-foot length of No. 7 dark leader wire.

(2) Bend it in half and slide on a barrel swivel.

(3) Tie a LOOSE, TWO-TURN, overhand knot in the wire near the bend to "capture" the swivel

(4) Form a loop, using a the toilet paper or paper towel tube ( or 1" I.D. Sch. 40 PVC pipe )as a "mandrel" ( you may need to vary the loop size depending on baitfish sizes in your area) and make a SINGLE-TURN Overhand Knot,

(5) ALTERNATE the direction of the Overhand Knots each time to help the rig hang straighter

(6) Repeat until you have a series of loops, leaving a couple of inches of wire free at the bottom

(7) Slip on the Snap Swivel and connect the loose ends of the wire, using a SHORT Haywire Twist

(8) Hold the rig at each end and pull on it to stretch the loops out into an oval shape

(9) Attach the bright red ribbon at one end by knotting it to the Swivel loop

(10) Pass the ribbon through rings one-third and two-thirds of the way up the rig

(11) Attach the ribbon to the other Swivel, leaving some slack in the ribbon when fully extended

(12) Attach the Sinker to the Snap Swivel and the rig is complete

HOW TO USE:

Tie the rig to a light spinning rod and lower or cast it into a baitfish school and let it sink. You will feel baitfish hitting the rig. Keep the line tight and wait for the rod to bend. When it does, wait a few seconds and reel up. Remove baitfish and repeat, as desired !




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Old 02-05-2017, 10:48 PM   #25
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I have kept a note from the FWC in my wallet for two years now that says they are legal. Simple to make out of cast net mesh and red ribbon.
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Old 02-13-2017, 01:08 PM   #26
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Thanks for your service, in 1987 I started working on the T-34s. Been on the T-6s now for about 12 years.. Dam, almost 30 years, man im getting old...
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:27 PM   #27
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I use to use one of these on the Panama City Beach pier back in the 70s. (the old wooden one near Miracle Strip Amusement Park)
I never throw anything away so I'm betting I've still got it around the house somewhere, probably in an old tackle box.
I'm going to look around and see if I can find it.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:27 PM   #28
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To All,

I sent a long, detailed FAX to the Florida WIldlife Commission, regarding "Pilchard Rings" . . . This was the reply I received :

QUOTE :

Thank you for contacting the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (Commission) for clarity on the state’s fishing rules. As requested, I am following up to provide you with the legal status of “pilchard rings” (also called “ribbon rigs”): a string of wire rings designed to capture small bait fish. The Commission’s Legal Office has determined that any gear designed to capture bait by gilling them meets the broad definition of the term “net,” regardless of whether it consists of wire, monofilament rings, or other material. In short, based on the methods pilchard rings use to capture fish, they are considered “entangling nets,” which are explicitly prohibited by Commission’s regulations found in 68B-4.0081, Florida Administrative Code, which were implemented in compliance with the Net Limitation Amendment (Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution). In summary, the use of pilchard rings, constructed of either monofilament mesh or wire rings, is prohibited in Florida Waters.

If you would like more detailed information on these rules, I have included a document that summarizes the relevant Constitutional, statutory, and Commission regulations for more information. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to me personally at Mason.Smith@myFWC.com or by calling (561) 882-5727.

Sincerely,

Mason Smith
Biological Scientist IV
Division of Marine Fisheries Management
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
South Regional Office, 8535 Northlake Blvd
West Palm Beach, Florida 33412
(561)-882-5727 office phone
(561)-625-5129 fax


PDF File Contents . . .

September 13, 2016


Pilchard Rings (also known as ribbon rigs)


Pilchard rings are metal or monofilament rings attached in a series, designed to capture small bait fish such as pilchards (scaled sardines) by entanglement. The rules that relate to pilchard rings can be found in three places: 68B-4 of the Florida Administrative Code (FAC), Florida Statutes, and the Constitution of Florida, as separated below:


68B-4, FAC:


68B-4.002 Gear Definitions.
(3) “Entangling net” means a drift net, trammel net, stab net, or any other net which captures saltwater finfish, shellfish, or other marine animals by causing all or parts of heads, fins, legs, or other body parts to become entangled or ensnared in the meshes or in pockets of the net. This term does not include a cast net.



(26) The term “net” or “netting” shall be broadly construed to include all manner or combination of mesh or webbing or any other solid or semi-solid fabric or other material used to comprise a device that is used to take or harvest marine life.


68B-4.0081 Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications.


(1) This rule is intended to implement prohibitions and restrictions of Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution. As used there and in this rule, the term “net” or “netting” shall be broadly construed to include all manner or combination of mesh or webbing or any other solid or semisolid fabric or other material used to comprise a device that is used to take or harvest marine life.


(2) The following gear specifications shall apply in all state waters:


(a) The use or placement in the water of any gill or entangling nets of any size is prohibited.


(b) Any net constructed wholly or partially of monofilament or multistrand monofilament material, other than a hand thrown cast net, or a handheld landing or dip net, shall be considered an entangling net prohibited by Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution, and this rule, unless otherwise authorized by rule of the Commission. The term “multistrand monofilament” does not include braided or twisted twines made of nylon, cotton, linen, or polypropylene.


Florida Statutes:


379.2422 Illegal use of nets.—


(1) It is unlawful to take or harvest, or to attempt to take or harvest, any marine life in Florida waters with any net that is not consistent with the provisions of s. 16, Art. X of the State Constitution.


(3) As used in s. 16, Art. X of the State Constitution and this subsection, the term “net” or “netting” must be broadly construed to include all manner or combination of mesh or webbing or any other solid or semisolid fabric or other material used to comprise a device that is used to take or harvest marine life.


Constitution of Florida:


Section 16, Article X of the Constitution of Florida


SECTION 16. Limiting marine net fishing.—


(a) The marine resources of the State of Florida belong to all of the people of the state and should be conserved and managed for the benefit of the state, its people, and future generations. To this end the people hereby enact limitations on marine net fishing in Florida waters to protect saltwater finfish, shellfish, and other marine animals from unnecessary killing, overfishing and waste.


(b) For the purpose of catching or taking any saltwater finfish, shellfish or other marine animals in Florida waters:


(1) No gill nets or other entangling nets shall be used in any Florida waters; and


(2) In addition to the prohibition set forth in (1), no other type of net containing more than 500 square feet of mesh area shall be used in nearshore and inshore Florida waters. Additionally, no more than two such nets, which shall not be connected, shall be used from any vessel, and no person not on a vessel shall use more than one such net in nearshore and inshore Florida waters.


(c) For purposes of this section:


(1) “gill net” means one or more walls of netting which captures saltwater finfish by ensnaring or entangling them in the meshes of the net by the gills, and “entangling net” means a drift net, trammell net, stab net, or any other net which captures saltwater finfish, shellfish, or other marine animals by causing all or part of heads, fins, legs, or other body parts to become entangled or ensnared in the meshes of the net, but a hand thrown cast net is not a gill net or an entangling net;


END QUOTE:


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Old 02-15-2017, 06:20 PM   #29
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Good info. I was told by the man that they are no longer legal. Used on gulf shore piers in the 70s. Too bad they work pretty good.
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Old 02-26-2017, 08:02 AM   #30
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In place of the ribbon we used hot orange or pink beads, one on each side of the loop. These thing were deadly. I can tie one up and photograph it if anybody is interested.

If you want to see it, better send me a PM or I might never get back here again.
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