***attention ft pickens flounder fishermen*** - Page 5

frydaddy · 11-16-2011, 12:33 AM

Wes,
guess i missed the post since it was under camping guidelines, i have just been doing quick checks on how many anybody was getting, i take part of the blame for not reading about the camping changes.

my battle line is with everything the gov tries to change, social security, retirement, right to bear arms, etc, and of course fishing. I was there for the battle on the snapper and will be there when i can for any kind of fish they are after since i try to catch everything out there. All fish are on the same level with me so they all get as much attention as i can dedicate toward saving our share of the catch. If the park is allowed to do this it will effect redfishing, trout, sheepshead,black drum, spanish, kings, mullet and of course flounder, not to mention the bait we wouldn't be allowed to catch. And your talking about the majority of the water on the island in our area. Even though i no longer camp, why the hell should you have to have a permit, pass or anything else to camp at a location that's only accessable by boat? (mc crae) just something else to take away from people.

The next move i'm sure will be in the gulf just like they did with live bait. What then, no cobia fishing within so many miles from the beach? No mackeral fishing, red fish, pompano, etc. It'll never end if they decide to close this beach down. It's never about just one species to me because they're just waiting to move on the next one. Look at the proposed limits for red grouper, about 6 mp for commerical and almost 2 mp for rec guys.

I can appreciate your comment about people not saying anything until it comes to their door, and unfortunately that is the case for the majority, that's why these politicians get away with so much. But i like to think that i have a door for all fish, so it does concern me when any of the fish, or an area, is targeted for closure or limited access.

I spent just about every summer out at pickens camping and fishing from the time i was 6 years old. Getting a little older now and can't afford a real camper so i haven't camped in the last 1o years or so but continue to fish the area and hopefully will be able to until i die. Everybody i know knows where the grass beds are and trim their motors up so i really don't see what the concern is. I like to protect the areas i fish so the fish will come there to be caught. I think we know what the real agenda is, stop all recreational fishing so you have to go to the market and buy it.

Thanks for all the info from all of you guys and for the address to write to. I try to write to the powers to be at least monthly concerning fishing regulations and the tac and will be sending off my letter on this by weeks end.

Frydaddy

Chris Phillips · 11-16-2011, 08:21 AM

I think with a little or A LOT of effort we're going to be able to work through this with the National Park Service...

ECMA Committee Meeting **Fort Pickens Access and Flounder Gigging**

Crab Man · 11-16-2011, 11:17 AM

It's not the first fishing activity they have restricted. No commercial fishing for anything (castnet, traps, or even hook and line) and they wouldn't let the bait boat operate near the pass or let the charter boats catch bait near the island. Technichally the inshore charter guides aren't allowed to operate their either, but they look like normal boats and probably get a pass.

gators06 · 11-19-2011, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captwesrozier

YOU cannot gig flounders from the west corner fort wall to the east corner fort wall.

You can gig flounders from the east corner wall headed east to the camp ground which is about 100 plus yards of beach.

You cannot gig flounders from the camp ground east to the park ranger station pier.

As you can see this is the flounder beach which means why go for 100 yards of beach!

you need to call Mr. Brown at the GINS. Let him know this is NOT FAIR!

You should have been at the meeting last night!

well CAPTWESROZIER this is wat i think about that is i have a annual pass for the year an a night owl pass an no where in the book does it say anything about not being able to gig flounder,also that law was made bk in the 80's for gill net fishing so untill someone stops me an writes me a ticket im going to continue to gig flounder there.

frydaddy · 11-19-2011, 11:07 PM

finally got out last night and of course went to pickens. what's all the equipment thats staged along the entire floundering area? i guess with it being anchored in the grass beds that the grass beds are not an issue, or am i wrong on that?

unless i'm wrong again, hasn't there been a law passed that if i have my carry permit i can carry on the park? if so, what's more dangerous, the gig or the lead that's not tied to the end of a fishing pole?

and didn't whoever say they were going to clarify enforcement issues before enforcing the change, don't seem like they wasted any time jumping on running people off from what i've read.

we didn't see the first fish last night as far as a report goes, no rangers either. funniest part of the trip was we didn't see any of these people they're concerned about getting gigged, i figured they would be walking all up and down the beach and out in the water for their nightly dip.

frydaddy

Crab Man · 11-19-2011, 11:51 PM

It is funny that they use safety as a reason and all the gigging goes on in november, lot's of swimmers this time of year!

frydaddy · 12-26-2011, 01:08 AM

Certified the new superintendant a letter over three weeks ago, he has yet to respond. Just goes to show they can pacify the majority with an automatic e-mail response to blow smoke up your butt making you think they really read your e-mail.

They don't take time to respond to the written word, as usual.
No change in his position either.

Frydaddy

11-16-2011, 12:33 AM	#41
frydaddy Senior Member Mingo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 193	pickens Wes, guess i missed the post since it was under camping guidelines, i have just been doing quick checks on how many anybody was getting, i take part of the blame for not reading about the camping changes. my battle line is with everything the gov tries to change, social security, retirement, right to bear arms, etc, and of course fishing. I was there for the battle on the snapper and will be there when i can for any kind of fish they are after since i try to catch everything out there. All fish are on the same level with me so they all get as much attention as i can dedicate toward saving our share of the catch. If the park is allowed to do this it will effect redfishing, trout, sheepshead,black drum, spanish, kings, mullet and of course flounder, not to mention the bait we wouldn't be allowed to catch. And your talking about the majority of the water on the island in our area. Even though i no longer camp, why the hell should you have to have a permit, pass or anything else to camp at a location that's only accessable by boat? (mc crae) just something else to take away from people. The next move i'm sure will be in the gulf just like they did with live bait. What then, no cobia fishing within so many miles from the beach? No mackeral fishing, red fish, pompano, etc. It'll never end if they decide to close this beach down. It's never about just one species to me because they're just waiting to move on the next one. Look at the proposed limits for red grouper, about 6 mp for commerical and almost 2 mp for rec guys. I can appreciate your comment about people not saying anything until it comes to their door, and unfortunately that is the case for the majority, that's why these politicians get away with so much. But i like to think that i have a door for all fish, so it does concern me when any of the fish, or an area, is targeted for closure or limited access. I spent just about every summer out at pickens camping and fishing from the time i was 6 years old. Getting a little older now and can't afford a real camper so i haven't camped in the last 1o years or so but continue to fish the area and hopefully will be able to until i die. Everybody i know knows where the grass beds are and trim their motors up so i really don't see what the concern is. I like to protect the areas i fish so the fish will come there to be caught. I think we know what the real agenda is, stop all recreational fishing so you have to go to the market and buy it. Thanks for all the info from all of you guys and for the address to write to. I try to write to the powers to be at least monthly concerning fishing regulations and the tac and will be sending off my letter on this by weeks end. Frydaddy Last edited by frydaddy; 11-16-2011 at 12:44 AM.

11-16-2011, 08:21 AM	#42
Chris Phillips Senior Member Snapper Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 559	I think with a little or A LOT of effort we're going to be able to work through this with the National Park Service... ECMA Committee Meeting Fort Pickens Access and Flounder Gigging __________________ Captain Chris Phillips www.hotspotstackle.com www.hotspotscharters.com

11-19-2011, 11:07 PM	#45
frydaddy Senior Member Mingo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 193	pickens finally got out last night and of course went to pickens. what's all the equipment thats staged along the entire floundering area? i guess with it being anchored in the grass beds that the grass beds are not an issue, or am i wrong on that? unless i'm wrong again, hasn't there been a law passed that if i have my carry permit i can carry on the park? if so, what's more dangerous, the gig or the lead that's not tied to the end of a fishing pole? and didn't whoever say they were going to clarify enforcement issues before enforcing the change, don't seem like they wasted any time jumping on running people off from what i've read. we didn't see the first fish last night as far as a report goes, no rangers either. funniest part of the trip was we didn't see any of these people they're concerned about getting gigged, i figured they would be walking all up and down the beach and out in the water for their nightly dip. frydaddy

12-26-2011, 01:08 AM	#47
frydaddy Senior Member Mingo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 193	no response Certified the new superintendant a letter over three weeks ago, he has yet to respond. Just goes to show they can pacify the majority with an automatic e-mail response to blow smoke up your butt making you think they really read your e-mail. They don't take time to respond to the written word, as usual. No change in his position either. Frydaddy

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11-16-2011, 11:17 AM	#43
Crab Man Senior Member Trigger Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261	It's not the first fishing activity they have restricted. No commercial fishing for anything (castnet, traps, or even hook and line) and they wouldn't let the bait boat operate near the pass or let the charter boats catch bait near the island. Technichally the inshore charter guides aren't allowed to operate their either, but they look like normal boats and probably get a pass.

11-19-2011, 11:51 PM	#46
Crab Man Senior Member Trigger Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261	It is funny that they use safety as a reason and all the gigging goes on in november, lot's of swimmers this time of year!

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