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Old 02-16-2017, 03:16 PM   #21
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Oh I like this topic!

For inshore, Kayak all the way.
Next would be wading.
For all the same reasons already mentioned.

but low profile, stealth and noiseless movement thru the water are key to skinny water fishing. I've seen on many occasions where I'm catching fish a boat comes within a 100 yards and creates a wake, the bite shuts down.

Reason for this is only something bigger than them moving thru the water will create a noticeable wake, meaning something that will eat them so they leave.

I think 1 reason people say wading and yak fishing both catch bigger fish is both methods MAKE an angler slow down and fish more of the area they are in, which results in more casts, more chances of tricking a fish.

The drawback to a yak or wading is the ability to quickly move to another area and maybe no place to brew hot coffee.
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Oh I like this topic!

For inshore, Kayak all the way.
Next would be wading.
For all the same reasons already mentioned.

but low profile, stealth and noiseless movement thru the water are key to skinny water fishing. I've seen on many occasions where I'm catching fish a boat comes within a 100 yards and creates a wake, the bite shuts down.

Reason for this is only something bigger than them moving thru the water will create a noticeable wake, meaning something that will eat them so they leave.

I think 1 reason people say wading and yak fishing both catch bigger fish is both methods MAKE an angler slow down and fish more of the area they are in, which results in more casts, more chances of tricking a fish.

The drawback to a yak or wading is the ability to quickly move to another area and maybe no place to brew hot coffee.
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Slowing Down..... hit the nail on the head my friend

I definitely learned to slow down regardless of what Im in due to wade fishin*

100% agree with yah
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Key topics hit

Stealth
Slowing down
Picking apart an area....

Im liking it so far!!!!


Bruce also mentioned a boat wake factor..... its a very real thing.... so how to approach a targeted area without creating a boat wake****

Here is what I recommend

Slow down way way way..... before the targeted area idle once within 100 yards or further shutoff motor drop the trolling motor and slowly move in or let the wind drift you in... power pole down and make long casts

Could you imagine the possibilities during the bull red run hahahaha just an example
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Purpose of this thread is to learn from eachother.

Topic of the day:

Does Kayak fishing present more opportunities to catch Bigger fish? If so why? Or why not?

^^^ Ive heard many folks talk up kayaks and how its a superior platform to any other vessel. Please Share the reasons as to why "it catches bigger fish" or more fish exc exc
I like this topic so I will weigh in as I debate about this any time I go fishing.

I am not a kayak fisherman but I am a boat and paddle board fisherman. I started out paddle boarding which is extremely similar to a kayak. I just purchased a boat this past year. I do still paddle board fish. Just not near as often as I use my boat and here is why.

The key to your question and I bolded it above is "more opportunities". A kayak(and I will add paddle board to this debate b/c they are in the same category) will not produce as many opportunities to catch big fish and that is because they cannot move near as fast as a boat to get onto different spots. Its a numbers game. This is a reason that I bought a boat because there were days when some of my go to spots were not producing what I wanted and it was a hassle to pack up move across the bay and relaunch to get onto more spots. So with you in your kayak and me in my boat I can get onto more spots then you can and in this case have "more opportunities" on such fish.

Now we can go down the rabbit hole of given one spot to move onto which will provide a "better" opportunity of catching a big fish. I will go with the kayak/paddleboard option for shallow water inshore fishing. This is due to stealth. Most boats out there (except some of the extremely expensive poling skiffs like hell's bay and the likes) are not designed to stealthily approach fish. Their hulls give off pressure waves that will spook fish that are already in an alerted state. Not even taking into account hull slap from any kind of disturbances in the water. The kayak and paddle boards give off less of a signature and allow a more stealthy approach.

You are right about stability issues. However, in my experience the minimal movement of a small board side to side produces a much less wake/noise/pressure wave then a much larger boat just slowly moving across a glassed out flat.

Now as far as wading. I still believe that being on top of the water is better then wading due to the fact then when you are wading you are stirring up the bottom with your feet and still displacing water with your body vs just displacing water with a yak/board.

So overall, in my opinion more opportunities are had with boats due to the ability to move to more fish. However, I believe that a yak/board will provide better opportunities due to the more stealthy approach. This is for shallow water fishing. I have caught more quality fish on my boat then on my paddle board and again this is because I can move from spot to spot as I please.

Now on top of that I will add kayak or paddle board? I will chose a paddle board. That is just my personal preference.


Just my opinion as I have no scientific data to back this up only experiences on both vessels. Feel free to educate me.
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Bruce this is why I LOVE YOU

Slowing Down..... hit the nail on the head my friend

I definitely learned to slow down regardless of what Im in due to wade fishin*

100% agree with yah
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I spent the last 20 years wading this area (or on buddy's boats), largely because economics didn't allow for other options. I've had a blast and caught a ton of fish.

I've been out a handful of times yak fishing. I enjoyed myself, but (laziness I suppose) I found all the work around getting a kayak in and out of the water and, god forbid, reloading to change locations didn't encourage more trips.

I spent more time last summer fishing inshore from a boat and plan for 90% of my time on the water going forward to be from the comfort of my boat.

I think JRed nailed it and I don't want to completely regurgitate his post...

If you limit yourself to a small area you could certainly argue the stealthy characteristics of a kayak. But that would be the one potential advantage. And if the crew on your boat isn't clueless and you're willing to pole around a bit I'd argue that you can be pretty stealthy there as well while having a much better vantage point to spot fish.

The single biggest advantage on the boat is the ability to decide an area isn't producing and move quickly to as many new spots as necessary to find the fish. I can fish 1 or 2 days a week. I want to maximize my time.

I have a minimum of 6 rods on the boat rigged in a variety of ways so as to quickly hot swap. While I mostly toss artificials, I may have 2 or 3 different species of live bait on board and at my disposal. I have a great platform to toss a cast net. On the flats I believe that advantage of being 6-7 feet above the waterline vs 2 feet above the waterline is huge. The new TM systems have made it really easy for me to be 10 or 12 feet above the waterline and in complete control of the boat, while being able to navigate in 1 foot of water. And while you could argue that the height could spook fish, I'd argue that braid and modern equipment allow us to attack from far enough away that it doesn't really matter.

I still enjoy to wade, but it's sure nice to take the boat to flats that no other wader / yakker is likely on, anchor up, and wade in solitude.

And the last thing I would mention is access, particularly to the flats in the sound. When I started wading around her in the late 90s there were so many non developed areas or underdeveloped neighborhoods where we could run and hop in. It feels far more limited these days in terms of where you can gain access to wade or launch a kayak.

Random ramblings...but great topic.
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:02 AM   #27
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Great topic Josh - this one may never end ! My home waters are in Louisiana and as such we don't have many "wadeable" areas other than the beaches @ Grand Isle. Most of our inshore fishing is in the marsh areas consisting of interconnecting bayous, lakes , ponds, etc. This is all mud bottoms not to mention the alligators and snakes ! Thus it is either boats or kayaks -- and kayaks seem to be taking over ! When fishing some of the shallow marsh ponds , I often see what you alluded to -- someone comes in with a bigger boat and the wake/noise shuts the fish down. Our waters here are not clear as in Pensacola -- we say it is clear when you can see the prop on your motor. Because of that , it is unbelievable how close you can get to fish w/o spooking them in a kayak. I have literally touched the back of tailing redfish with my fly rod !

In Pensacola it is a different ballgame ! I am now fishing out of a 24' tri-toon pontoon boat ( it does have a troll mtr ! ). Obviously, it is not the ideal flats boat , but it works ! However I am getting ready to get a kayak that I can use out in the sound AND then use the tri-toon as a " mother ship" to ferry a kayak ( or paddleboard ) to fish from. Stealth is so important here and I really think a kayak will help improve my success when fishing the flats , docks, and canals.
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Great topic Josh - this one may never end ! My home waters are in Louisiana and as such we don't have many "wadeable" areas other than the beaches @ Grand Isle. Most of our inshore fishing is in the marsh areas consisting of interconnecting bayous, lakes , ponds, etc. This is all mud bottoms not to mention the alligators and snakes ! Thus it is either boats or kayaks -- and kayaks seem to be taking over ! When fishing some of the shallow marsh ponds , I often see what you alluded to -- someone comes in with a bigger boat and the wake/noise shuts the fish down. Our waters here are not clear as in Pensacola -- we say it is clear when you can see the prop on your motor. Because of that , it is unbelievable how close you can get to fish w/o spooking them in a kayak. I have literally touched the back of tailing redfish with my fly rod !

In Pensacola it is a different ballgame ! I am now fishing out of a 24' tri-toon pontoon boat ( it does have a troll mtr ! ). Obviously, it is not the ideal flats boat , but it works ! However I am getting ready to get a kayak that I can use out in the sound AND then use the tri-toon as a " mother ship" to ferry a kayak ( or paddleboard ) to fish from. Stealth is so important here and I really think a kayak will help improve my success when fishing the flats , docks, and canals.

Interesting perspective.

I would love to yak LA and will be soon enough. The fishery there is unbelievable almost too easy in comparison LOL
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I spent the last 20 years wading this area (or on buddy's boats), largely because economics didn't allow for other options. I've had a blast and caught a ton of fish.

I've been out a handful of times yak fishing. I enjoyed myself, but (laziness I suppose) I found all the work around getting a kayak in and out of the water and, god forbid, reloading to change locations didn't encourage more trips.

I spent more time last summer fishing inshore from a boat and plan for 90% of my time on the water going forward to be from the comfort of my boat.

I think JRed nailed it and I don't want to completely regurgitate his post...

If you limit yourself to a small area you could certainly argue the stealthy characteristics of a kayak. But that would be the one potential advantage. And if the crew on your boat isn't clueless and you're willing to pole around a bit I'd argue that you can be pretty stealthy there as well while having a much better vantage point to spot fish.

The single biggest advantage on the boat is the ability to decide an area isn't producing and move quickly to as many new spots as necessary to find the fish. I can fish 1 or 2 days a week. I want to maximize my time.

I have a minimum of 6 rods on the boat rigged in a variety of ways so as to quickly hot swap. While I mostly toss artificials, I may have 2 or 3 different species of live bait on board and at my disposal. I have a great platform to toss a cast net. On the flats I believe that advantage of being 6-7 feet above the waterline vs 2 feet above the waterline is huge. The new TM systems have made it really easy for me to be 10 or 12 feet above the waterline and in complete control of the boat, while being able to navigate in 1 foot of water. And while you could argue that the height could spook fish, I'd argue that braid and modern equipment allow us to attack from far enough away that it doesn't really matter.

I still enjoy to wade, but it's sure nice to take the boat to flats that no other wader / yakker is likely on, anchor up, and wade in solitude.

And the last thing I would mention is access, particularly to the flats in the sound. When I started wading around her in the late 90s there were so many non developed areas or underdeveloped neighborhoods where we could run and hop in. It feels far more limited these days in terms of where you can gain access to wade or launch a kayak.

Random ramblings...but great topic.
Good read,

I too find that access points hard to come by. In fact I find it funny that in the yak relm people hold there launching point as secret as their fishing spot. Thats does bring up an issue for the phantom fishermen. Hard to stay hidden when people driving down the road or parking lot see your truck.

Just to touch on a point. Wahoo / JRed
I tend to yak or wade a spot to figure it out. I put myself there and really have no choice but to fish it once im there. Really pick the spot apart for a 4-6 hour period for maybe 3 days. Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesnt but when it does I know that if I were in my boat I most likely would have never figured it out
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Good read,

Just to touch on a point. Wahoo / JRed
I tend to yak or wade a spot to figure it out. I put myself there and really have no choice but to fish it once im there. Really pick the spot apart for a 4-6 hour period for maybe 3 days. Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesnt but when it does I know that if I were in my boat I most likely would have never figured it out
I agree with you on picking apart spots and taking your time. As you and others hit it, slowing down works wonders. I fish unbearably slow according to my friends that join me on the boat. They are always in a hurry to go to another spot. I also laugh when I see guys pull up cast 5 times and move on especially when I am catching fish that are there. They just didn't figure out what/how the fish wanted presentations. This is an attribute to fishing on my board.

However, the question was which puts you on more big fish opportunities, boat or yak? Not how one fishes on said vessel, which is a completely different question in my opinion. If that were the question then I would say everybody should start out fishing on a yak or paddle board. They will learn a lot more then just jumping in and buying a boat. It will teach them all of the things that you and others have discussed about slowing down, how to stealthily approach your target and really figure out a spot. Just my humble opinion.

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If you really want to learn patience and increase your small craft skills bring along your 5 or 6 year old on your yak/board and fish with them on the front too. hahaha. That taught me a lot on only bringing what you really need and multitasking during double hook ups.
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