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Well, I look at it like this. I have the luxury of having my own opinion and not having to give one rats ass if anyone else agrees. But then, I'm not in office. I think that too often people look at a politician and his "stances" and think that he or she truly believes in that cause. That's not the case at all. And there are many nuances to each and every bill. Often, politicians vote for something that they don't believe in just because some stipulation further down in the bill is what they really want. This is where the line item veto would be nice. Too much power but it woudl be nice. He is a representative of a group of people and that group of people happens to, as a majority(not a whole), believe that abortion is the womans choice.

Not every liberal is for abortion. When Obama, or McCain talks they are not expressing their personal opinion. They are expressing the opinion of the majority of their backers as they see it. Sometimes that is even wrong. When it is wrong it is usually evidenced in their approval rating.

This is the great misunderstanding. Also, when a president gets in office his stances always start to change because now he is responsible to the entire nation and not just half of it. This is what truly makes a great president, the ability to recognize that up to 50% of the nation does not agree with him and that he is going to have to relax on some of his polarizing issues knowing that not EVERYONE is behind it. This is where I believe that GW made his greatest mistakes. He tried to please only conservatives, the problem is that he assumed(incorrectly) that all conservatives were 100% the same. Well, guess what, just like liberals are not all for abortion not all conservatives think that war solves all foreign policy issues.

d45miller

Begin quote.. "The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." end quote .... read this and take heed. The nation is heading towardsDEPENDENCY very quickly and you know which candidate is a proponent of that. Has anyone noticed the recent influx of voters being registered lately sponsored in large by "special interest groups"? They don't knowJACK SHITabout policies or past voting records of either candidate. Totally ignorant and extremely unprepared to vote in a national election...but hey that's their right, unfortunately. All they want to know is if the guy is black and what other kind of shit can I get for free. Don't worry about it though, those of us who work will pay for it.

Xanadu

Pragmatist would be more appropriate, but the fundamental difference you're going to find between you and I is that you believe government gives us rights, where I believe - as did the framers of the Constitution - that those rights were given to us by our creator (or happenstance as in my case) and that we, as men, are obliged to earn that freedom and rights by being a careful student of politics and not blindly adhering to that which is preached by men with less than noble motives.

Xanadu

I think the conservative approach to this issue is twofold. One should have the foresight and responsibility to not need an abortion. In the case that two irresponsible individuals find themselves in need of one, then the conservative among us would refer to The Constitution which makes no restriction on religion or abortion. Therefore, imho, they must be allowed to have one - again imho - up until the moment the baby would be independently viable.



But, in all honesty, as a govt and country, our approach should be to eliminate the need rather than restrict the terms. As a pragmatist, I'd suggest sex ed and better parenting would eliminate much of the need for abortion. Beyond that, there are just too many idiots.

bottomfisher01

[quote]Xanadu (8/23/2008)

Hey you can call him whatever you want but you are able to live in this country and have freedoms because of him. He was a POW. So why dont you show some respect to someone that allows you to live in The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.:usaflag:usaflag:usaflag

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Yeah, we should listen to the guy that takes his politcal truth from cartoons....wow.

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