capt mike

Recreational Anglers Wake Up!



I don?t write this post to do anything other than inform the largest group {The Recreational Fisherman} in this situation that has the loudest voice and could also have the best argument to be heard and their will respected by the powers that be but evidently won?t get off their duffs and be heard. The recreational angler in the past has sat idle while the charter industry begged you to help them in this fight yes fight because that?s what it is and has been to the point they have decided to try to obtain some stability so as to be able to stay afloat amidst high fuel costs, reduced seasons and bag limits. I have watched this scenario for 13 years now and the charter industry now has decided to take care of their own. These plans that are being worked on are much farther along towards reality than most of you realize. When you can go to a public forum with NMFS people present and witness this being talked about out in the open and NMFS officials telling charter boat operators that they would welcome a plan that could consist of the for hire boats being moved into their own category away from the recreational and dragging part of the TAC with them I can only hope some of you realize how late in the ballgame it really is! I hold no grudge against the charter boat operators and owners because they are trying to survive economically. They have no vendetta against the recreational angler and I know many of them personally from Panama City Florida to Dauphin Island Alabama.



There are plans being made that will have a direct impact on your ability to snapper fish in the northern gulf and if the recreational users don?t get informed and personally involved you are the user group that will take the hit! No other user group has even a fraction of the positive impact to our fisheries and coastal economies that the recreational angler does yet I have watched and listened to them gripe, moan and complain until it has sickened myself and others but this time after its over they?ll be nothing left to wish for.



First before we point fingers at other user groups lets realize that through bad data on fish stocks the National Marine Fisheries intends to squeeze the users so hard that most will give up and just fade into the sunset. This is not an opinion it is a fact. NMFS has never seen a reduction in TAC, size limitation or a shorter season or closure alternative they didn?t like. No one can convince me that one of their strategies in the past has not been to keep the commercial and recreational at odds with each other so to diffuse any real chance of a cohesive effort to hold their feet to the fire and demand correct data and to do their job which is to manage our fishery on snapper and other species in the northern gulf. The snapper fishery is rebounding and seems now that that rebound is coming so fast it could spell trouble for other species. I have fished the northern gulf since 1970 and have never seen the quality and quantity on public and private reefs that I?ve witnessed this past two years.



If you choose to get involved look at the argument for different sectors in the gulf as snapper are more abundant in some areas than in others which could allow for different bag limits in different sectors.

Beware of the NMFS including places that have never had a viable snapper population but include that areas data so as to build their so called ?over fishing argument?.

Push the NMFS to realize that when we throw these 15 inch snappers back we are wasting our resource. It isn?t rocket science to figure this out and maybe we should just keep the first ones we catch which might allow for a larger per angler bag limit due to anglers not killing many to keep a few.



Definitely beware of MPA?s {Marine Protected Areas} because the NMFS get?s to figure out where those will be and what if they close waters close in and they break you from fishing because to comply you have to travel large distances just to be able to wet your line.



Tell the NMFS no to reducing reef permit areas and push them to enlarge them. The panhandle of Florida needs more and larger reef areas. There are people trying to get them to enlarge existing zones take the time to join their effort.



Look into the dreaded fishermen lottery that is already being discussed as a management tool to control {reduce} the effort of the recreational angler. This would devastate recreational anglers, as you would purchase a chance to get to fish. What happens the years you don?t get to participate- are you just going to sit and look at your boat in that expensive stall or high-n-dry all season. This one can evaporate your right to fish real quick!



Are you aware that currently in my area that recreational anglers put out almost all the private reefs which greatly help build this fishery. Make sure the NMFS hears that on a regular basis. Charter operators are in such a financial pinch that their reef building effort is down badly.



Make the NMFS aware that you don?t agree with the aquaculture proposal, they tabled that proposition for now but believe me they will bring it back up. I think they were just testing the water to see how hot it was on that one. We can?t allow our natural bait supply to be plundered to feed their caged fish so the meat will be shipped to unknown countries. The danger of that and the danger of those fish escaping and breeding with our wild fish could be catastrophic. I myself question whether NMFS even has the legal right to allow and control aquaculture in the gulf. Their answer was that it was a ?fishing effort?. In other words here we go again government people setting up a way that private enterprise can come in and use resources that are public and possibly destroy something that the public should have the rights to for someone?s own personal gain. That one even smells bad!



The northern Gulf Of Mexico is a unique place that all of us love and enjoy. I truly feel that as a whole all the users from commercial to for hire to recreational fishermen and women respect this vital resource much more than NMFS realizes but if you want to continue to experience it YOU HAVE TO GET INVOLVED, no longer can you sit on the sidelines and expect to retain your privileges. The recreational angler makes up the biggest sector of users by far yet are headed for the smallest right to use please do your part to see that doesn?t happen.

Captain Mike Lilly

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cobe killer

capt. mike thank you for that very informative post. ipray that the rec. fishermen will heed your warnings. capt. paul redman has been trying for years to do the same thing and knows your frustration in this matter. we are trying but we need more fishermen to get involved right now. every post topic on this forum shoud be about fishermen telling what they are doing to help this effort, or one day soon it will be called pensacola's good old days fishing forum because there will be no new roports to post just read the achives.

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Capt.Eugene

Thank you mike for your input.

The sector separation you mention was the least of the s.o.s.(save our selves) proposal.I didn't read anything about V.M.S.or e-logs we of s.o.s.volentiered for at our cost.The core of the plan is to get better data for all fishermen rec.sector or for-hire sector.We all can agree we need better data now we are all over the barrel. I admit to the request for separation of sectors in some views nmfs.already separates us in conversation and confusion on how to collect BETTER DATA.Why is better data needed? To prove what? That there are more Red Snapper in the Gulf of Mexico than ever in history dew to artificial reefs and oil rigs (quarts crystal sand does not grow Red Snapper structure is imperative to the growth of all reef fish no coral reefs here in Alabama). That for more than fifty years have been adding to an almost nonexistent Red Snapper population in the northern Gulf of Mexico. Yes "almost" nonexistent (sunk boat or some rocks 30 miles off shore is all there was if you could dead reckon your way, they didn't have g.p.s.) I am speaking as 6th+ generation fisherman and the way my history was told to me Gulf wide travel was done from Alabama to catch & salt Red Snapper for sale in Mobile markets.There was NO VIABLE STOCK IN THE NORTHERN GULF this is the DATA I was raised on. Little word data? but it makes for big shot gun of which NMFS. Can use with bird shot or a slug. I recommend to the pure recreation fisherman to get involved but do so with all the data WE can get. Volunteer for a duck stamp type of program so we can give nmfs.all the data we can because this is our history in the making and it is time to turn the tide of the nmfs.poor data excuse get rid of this bird shoot approach and break out the slugs on this devastating 64 day season.Yes it is sad recreational fishermen only have so few days to catch snapper try making a living in that time frame then loose some of that to weather with no make up days. All of these things in the s.o.s plan were derived by National Marine Fisheries not s.o.s just look at the AD HOC Recreational Red Snapper committee agenda. We just took that agenda picked at it and served it up willingly. Our biggest agenda is real time accurate data nmfs. will accept so we can get viability our business. I believe Fun fishing, for food and or trophy fishing should always be available to the public ,for-hire,commercial fishermen alike. Always remember the bigger they are the more eggs spawned. (Catch it on camera after the fight) and release the big ones and EAT the SMALLER they taste allot better.



Capt. Eugene Coley.

markw4321

If enacted the SOS plan willfurther limit the ability of private boat owners to recreationally fish for andharvest red snapper in the Gulf of Mexico. The SOS plan sounds innocent enough "get better data".

Even the name of the red snapper SOS plan "Save OUR Selves" impliesits intent.With the"OUR" of the plan relating to the fact that SOS is for the "good"of the few charter boat operators who support the planversus very "bad" for the many other recreational anglers.

Bottom lineno matter how you work the math under the SOS plan, recreational anglers will suffer further red snapper bag reductions and shorter seasons if therecreational red snapper sector is divided between charter boat operators and oher recreational fisherman.

I personally believe that ultimatlely thegoal behind the SOS plan is that the main charter boat operators supporting the plan also own a commercial red snapper IFQ .These charter boat operators,once SOS is enactedwill then push tomove their commercial IFQ shares into their charter businessand expect anglersto pay foreachred snapper caught in addition to the cost of thecharter.

Finally, What will be the next move for SoS group surely you all will move for grouper, Amberjack and all other TAC managed fishto be split out from the recreational sector forcharter boat operator individual TAC.

Why would charter boat operatorsstop at red snapper when the plan is to SAVE OUR SELVES?

TheSOS plan sounds good"get better data".

YOU CAN DRESS UPA PIG BUT IN THE END YOU HAVE A PIG WITH CLOTHES ON.

People don't be fooled SOS is not a good plan for anyone but a few charter baot anglers.

Mark W.

need2fish

<P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Capt Coley - <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I agree that NMFS needs more data and I am not one to stifle any debate on how to get there. The SOS plan should be viewed and compared to competing ideas.<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">There seem to be two estimates in question- <o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">1.How many fish areout there and what is their size distribution?(the total species population).<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">2.How many of themand of what size should it be legal tocatch.(TAC). <o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I'm assuming number 2 is derived from some science and math being applied to number 1. The SOS plan only attacks better accounting for number 2. We need to have better confidence in the first number along with better accountability in the second.<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Regarding the suppositions and comments in your post:<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I disagree that the sector separationis a small component of the plan.In the prologue to the plan summary it was pretty clear about the importance of the split to the plan. The split was listed as the first step of the proposed implementation plan also.<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Excerpt from the plan:<o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'">This is no solution at all and the reason is simple: <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">We are professional fishers who operate for-profit businesses. [/B]Both the National Research Council and the National Marine Fisheries Service agree on this point.<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"> [/B]Sure,<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"> [/B]we may all fall under the recreational sector allocation umbrella for fisheries management purposes, but we approach fishing from an entirely different perspective. <SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Our opinion is simply that we can no longer afford to be attached to a recreational sector of unknown quantities, effort, landings and unregulated growth.<SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'"> <SPAN style="COLOR: #1f5080"><o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'">1. <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Secure our allocation. [/B]We would begin by obtaining a ?control date? from the NMFS which would freeze the current percentages of recreational sector allocation between the private recreational anglers and the For-Hire Sector based upon landings history. We don?t want anything more than our fair share: only that what we have historically caught.<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"> [/B]Then we would obtain an agreement from NMFS that the percentages will remain fixed for a minimum of two years to provide enough time to get the proper monitoring tools in place by NMFS and the industry.<o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Courier New'"><o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">It was prominently displayed in the plan as two of the top three points in a five point plan.<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Excerpt from the plan:<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">2. <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Put monitoring tools in place.[/B] The next step is to decide what monitoring tools we want. For starters, we think just two: VMS and electronic logbooks. These tools will provide us the opportunity of real-time catch reporting and will determine, at a high level of accuracy, who is fishing and what they are catching.<o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">3. <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Professionalize the industry: [/B]Monitoring tools such as VMS and electronic log books will give scientists and managers better data for management decisions and will give the industry accountability, so that when fish stocks rebound, the information can be trusted and catch levels can be increased. Increasing the fishermen?s role in data collection and management of the fishery will instill a positive stake in data collection and foster a proactive attitude and participation to further enhance fisheries management.<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I favor a plan that <o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">A) Does not splitthe TAC % among for hire and not for hire within the recreational sector and does not decrease the overall TAC % going to the recreational sector (which provides theeconomy the highest pound for pound economic benefit).<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">B)Improves data quality for number 2 and may be extended to impove data quality of number 1.<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">C) Provides public visibility to the collected data while protecting any proprietary or individual's data.<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">D) Provides a free or low cost means of allowing data input from the entire recreational sector thus providing better data for the entire sector.<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">E) Provides continuous improvement through mandated periodic scientific and management review<o></o><P style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f5080; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">F) Provides at least partial self funding via nominal additional licensing fee for reef fish or species specific stamp(s)<o></o>

JoeZ

I'm glad to see both sides are being represented in this debate.

I'm also glad to see the return of one of the first things we at the Reef Fish Restoration Association thought of once upon a time.

The Snapper Stamp.

Regionally, we are the only area that really goes after snapper. Sure, they're caught elsewhere but it's not such an integral part of the fishing community as it is here.

I, for one, would gladly add and extra $5, $10 or $20 to my yearly fee if you called it a snapper stamp and all funding went to help improve flawed data.

This would tell us who truly is targeting these fish, who is catching what and the FWC and NMFS would be able to be track catches and results.

It's this or we're looking at a "sportfish" status within the next five years.

capt mike

The snapper stamp has been talked about for a few years but her's my two cents on it for what its worth- NMFS would LOVE to get the recreational angler to submit to that, plus a fishermens lottery and to bow down and let them pick where {marine protected areas} and when you can fish {closed seasons}- who and who doesn't have a right to fish {lottery} boy you folks at RFA can rest assured Crabtree will be all ears on those proposals! I am not trying to pick an argument with the RFA but that is playing into just about all thats on Crabtree's Christmas wishlist!

Remember we are talking about a species that is so prevalent in the northern gulf that you can't catch the other species they are so thick!! We need as recreational fishermen and women need to unite and raise h"?:> at every appointed and elected official we can find. We need to find out who appointed Crabtree and his bunch of so called scientists and make them accountable!!!!

If this fishery was truly in trouble off the alabama,northwest florida, mississippi and louisiana coasts I would agree to all the above but its not and the NMFS is the only entity that says it is and I' am sick and tired of building this resource for them to screw it up. I care about this fishery ask anyone that knows me personally and they will tell you that myself, Eugene Coley and David Walter have put more structure on the bottom of the gulf than anyone in the last few years,

. Call the Alabama Marine Resources Division that permits reefs off the alabama coast and the panhandle and ask them whose signatures are most prevalent and it will be these three.

The worst case scenario right now is for us to become divided, anyway my two cents is more than used up.

Captain Mike Lilly:usaflag

Death From Above

Maybe our new president elect Barack Hussein Hussein Obama can help ensure equal opportunity to catch red snapper for all. I will write him a letter and suggest that others follow my lead.

Obama, Obama..........

he's not white he's black ..............

he's gonna help get our red snapper back!!

Candy

<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Hi Eugene,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It is admirable that you are willing to, at great expense; sacrifice your right, as an American, to privacy, in order to provide "data" to the NMFS.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">If you sincerely believe that this is going to make a difference, why don't you go ahead and begin that portion of the SOS plan today, on a volunteer basis. It is unnecessary to divide the Recreational Sector in order to accomplish that "noble" goal. It would be fascinating to see how many of the Charters would actually participate in a voluntary monitoring program out of sheer concern for data collection.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Somehow, this plan looks more like a bartering attempt between the Charter Operators and the NMFS. You give us year round fishing and get those pesky monkey boats off the water and we'll give you data. Yes, it is that transparent. Anyone with one eye open can see what is going on here.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It is indisputable that the Commercial and Charter Industries put the most pressure on our fishery. Even your own statistics prove that point.Considering this, there was a critical element completely missing from your SOS plan.How many of the Commercial or Charter Captains would be removed from the fishery if the NMFS implemented an automatic life time ban on all commercial and Charter operators that get caught cheating? Now, that would give our fishery a real chance to survive. The little slaps on the hand you've been getting have done nothing to deter many in your combined industries from breaking fishery management rules in order to increase your personal incomes. Profit is a great motivator to cheat, therefore; all for-profit fishermen should be held to the highest standards.<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">No matter how you sugar coat the SOS plan, the way you have written it, the Private Recreational Fisherman would be forced off the water. That will never be acceptable to me or any private recreational fishermen.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I appreciate that you depend on the water to make your living but a lot of people that support recreational fishermen depend on our sport to make their living. This plan would have a devastating effect on fishing &amp; tackle retailers, recreational boating industry, marinas, dry storage, towing insurance, etc... What about the effect this plan would have on the survivability of their businesses?<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The fact that the allocations need to be adjusted is obvious. As you know, a very small group of fishermen currently enjoy 51% of the entire Red Snapper allocation. That needs to change. That inequity is denying every Charter Operator and Recreational Fisherman their fair and equitable treatment in the allocation process.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">There are no sacred cows in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">America</st1lace></st1:country-region>. We need to join forces and demand that the NMFS treat ALL fishermen fairly. The resource does NOT belong to a few, it belongs to ALL of us and we should share it equally.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">You speak of your heritage and the water as if only the "old timers" deservean exclusive right to enjoy and profit off the richness of the marine environment. Does that mean that my grandkids shouldn't have a right to become a Charter Operator or Commercial Fisherman or even the right to just fish recreationally because you want to claim the resource exclusivelyfor you and yours? I know many Americans have the entitlement mentality but I personally don't feel like the rest of us owe you or any other "old timer" anything.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">There are many industries that are suffering from economic hardships these days. The fact that the Charter Industry is suffering right along with the rest of the economy is no reason to propose a plan that will force the multitudes to forfeit their access to the Gulf so that a few of you can prosper.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The tall and short of this entire conversation is this: Either you are Recreational or you are Commercial. If you want to be considered Commercial, start begging for scraps from the "old timers" that were "Commercial" first.Let's see how you wouldlike thatschemeif YOU are the onegetting scraps of theallocation pie. <o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes">Candy Hansard<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes">For those of you who would like more background on this issue, go to the forum thread titled "Plan to take 1/2 our TAC!" There, you can read the entire SOS Plan that is being proposed by Eugene and several very wealthy Charter Operators.<o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes"><o></o><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes">Recreational Fishermen and Women and Spear Fishers,Wake up and defend your rights before they are gone.<P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes"><P class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes">If you would like to join aRecreational Fishermens Movement for Fairness in Fishing, contact me at candy@valp.net <o></o>

roofordie

Thanks for the summarizing capt. Mikes post for me. Me not read so good